The Ups and Downs of Love
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Good morning, Las Vegas. It's not hard. It's where I am. today. My guest our galaxy, Glenn. Again, he's back. And my wonderful, delightful lesbian. Robert Lawson. What
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a man what a man what?
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We've been talking about relationships for the past few weeks. So I thought I'd bring my hubby on the show. And talk about, you know, some of the our trials and tribulations of our relationship. Because we're not perfect. Glenn, I know you'd like to paint the picture.
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Well, you know, I always brag about you guys, because every time I see you, it's so much love and warmth and fuzziness and respect for one another. I think that's it, you should portray. But like anything portrait life has its ups and downs, and changes and turnaround. So I'm driving in this morning, I started thinking I'm like, man, what am I saying? Negative? I don't have no stories because you guys always
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do. Because every time I'm on your show, right? You mentioned that Cancun trip? Well, so we'll talk about that later.
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It was cool. And Robert has already. Yeah, I've
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already prepped him. So yeah, no, no argument.
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You remember I said the car now? Right? Okay.
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You agree with me? Right? Okay. So welcome to the show. Hello, how you doing? I'm doing well. I'm just as fine as I was when we drove here. So it's your first time on the radio first time on the road? Are you a little nervous? A little bit nervous? Yeah. Just loving. So we want to talk about our relationship. Right. So what are some of the struggles? We have some of our more human experiences? Yeah. Struggles
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while we struggled with fighting. Yeah, I'm struggling occasion arguing. We, you know, all marriages have struggles. Yes. And I'm sure our struggles are not any different than anyone else's struggles, right.
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So it's just kind of like how you communicate. So I know for me, I'm like a fight or flight. So I'm definitely definitely Oh,
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there's a call. No struggling all right. But here's what's beautiful, as I listen to you to confess is that if you're going to struggle, if you're going to fight in the beautiful you're struggling and fighting with the one you want to struggle and fight with. Yeah, well,
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and you know, we also have you here as a buffer, right? Just in case our you know, our referee, right, in case we need to intense. No,
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I've been married for New York minute. Oh, it was the direct consequence of disobedience. But I'm for the covenant. Don't get me wrong. But I believe that marriage is the most wonderful relationship. in all areas. You live you get blessed. But one of the things I see Robert, is I've counseled married couples and more day ministers you may know or no I didn't know that. Church say man, is that often times a person can live in their life and their lifestyle and have it their way and then live in their own world. And she lives in her own world that only gonna go so long. If you don't do that compromising is give his take is pushing. If you pull up in the driveway, you don't want to go in the house. fix it. Fix it, don't fix it. You know, I
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sit in the car for a few extra now that's it. She sits in the car. She just likes to just sit in the car.
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But I was talking about like our communication styles, right? So I'm a fight or flight. So either I'm fighting or I'm running away. I'm a runner. Yeah,
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she she does. Yeah, she she likes to fight though.
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She likes a good fight. She
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has a fight. Yeah, like, it's interesting. I always think to myself, wow. You know, when you see my pretty wife, you just think wow, look at her. She's so sweet. And she's so pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, that happens and and this is no pun intended. But my brother used to say all right, um, let's you know, some the all crazy pick one. And so and I'm sure women say they owe a full pig one. Right. And it's just things we go through because the opposition is always trying to attack relationships started in the Garden of Eden, you know, so, but when you guys fight together either as the beautiful thing rather than me ask you this question, how can anybody come to you and feel like they could tell you something about the way just tastefully
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not really know why you probably don't want to do that's
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a sign of they know how close you are. But the opposition see that there's room to go in and bend your wife ear. They'll try that. But if they can't, they won't even try it. So there you go. Slam Dunk. You guys fight for the betterment and you fight because you guys love one another fight to stay together.
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Oh, that's some good counts. Yes, that's pretty much right.
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You just throw off our whole script.
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No, no, say 10. So what do you fight about? Because I know you like cooking you like thinking everything and
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everything. Fighting is good inflection of the voice, anything? How do you say that to me? Why did you say that to me? Yes. Why did you? Why did you say that? To me now just, you know, write anything and everything.
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I posed the question before on radio years ago, if your wife was at an event waiting for you, you hadn't arrived yet. But she got up with a girlfriend to start dancing. And then men got on the dance floor start dancing too. And, and you come in there and you see a man dancing by your wife. Do you wait to the dance is over? Or do you approach Oh, you
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have to wait your way. You got to secure about it. Right? Yeah, you can't be a jealous, fool. Okay, what about you? Because you don't know what's going on?
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He's gonna know he's not gonna do that. If she dropped it like it's hot. He's but he just had it with his fellows, his frat brothers, and they just having a good time. And then these girls come out there and you just happen to walk in. And she's doing little Kim. Do you stand alone best?
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Just smell that out? I would see that coming. She's shaking booty and whatever. Yeah, I would back out of that. Okay, I would, I would say I gotta go. See
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some people use this as a tool that you should want me more. Because look, I this girl is coming on to me. And I've done counseling where always tell the couple. Don't tell your husband about how much other men are attracted to you. Don't tell your wife about cuz that means you let that matter. And then so she gets upset because he saw her looking at a girl at the gas station. I'll ask her this. If she if he knew every thought that went through your head? Because her eyes are deceitful.
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Well, you know, it's really out. Okay, so I'll talk about my security. Okay. Okay. So sometimes when we're out at the bar, and Robert wants to talk, and I don't feel like talking so much. He'll talk to his neighbor.
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Whoever that yeah, that's generally not a good idea. Yeah. So
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but sometimes, as I will go You dog don't because I don't feel like dog until sometimes I feel like that. Yeah, but mostly, you might be in trouble, right?
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I'd be in trouble. I'm talking to a girl at the bar. I'm going to hear about it later. Or, you know, there's there might be a problem right on the spot. Well, what
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we do know is that even before this beautiful couple came together, you know how men are because they pursued you, you know how women are to get what they want. So we have these things in our memory banks. And sometimes when a situation comes up, we recall and think, Oh, like that skank? Oh, look at this, this slick, wicked catch on it, because we've seen it all before. But because we fight together, we can defeat that. I use the analysis of a TV, a TV as a TV. But if you unplug it is disconnected. Once you reach that stage, you're disconnected. And your marriage is nothing really happened the stonewalling the excusive of working extra hours or going out of town. And then the opposition comes in and start planting seeds. But the beautiful thing in the offset of this whole show you mentioned you go into Cancun with the girls. Robert didn't even trip. No, no, I told you me rabbit going to Brazil. You said
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you have to be going
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she would have to be I was telling
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her that's just how it is. She would have to be gone. But to your point. She goes with her family a lot. And I do trust my wife. Hey, I trust my wife.
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And I have a huge family. So when we first got together, I would tell him like you know, oh,
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my grandma's house.
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And I really was
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she actually really was yeah, no grandma does dance. Oh, really? Oh yeah. Grandma will dance you. She'll dance you silly. Okay. It's a whole thing. She'll put on the records with the videos and you'll be the dance guy and you will have to dance and Lola
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Philomel grandma. She was amazing. We missed what do you guys do? Together? I know some things but share with the audience that you guys both love doing together because a lot of couples needs to hear this. What do you both enjoy doing?
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We like to go ahead. Are
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we talking about at home are we talking about go on when you go out or we'd like to go out we'd like to eat. We'd like to drink. We'd like to play a little Keno. We'd like to do a lot of stuff. She likes to dance, we dance. Pretty much, you
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know, that is a that is the thing I envy being a single man. But I'm patient. But I love it. It'd be in a good way. Once I see a couple like you guys. Act like you're still falling in love. See y'all dancing together. Like that's real, right? They're not dancing because someone would be dancing with a man. And winking at another band. Oh, another guy with a woman. Like, hey,
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we're seasoned, you know, couple. We've been together for 16 years. 16 years. So there's, there's none of those.
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A lot of people say it's not how long you together. It's how you together. i How you guys together is the nucleus of what makes a marriage work. But perhaps you could share with an audience, something you struggled with. But because you guys fight together, you fixed it. Is there something that's not too personal?
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There's so many things, but about the trucks. You know what my husband said? As long as there's hot grits in the morning. Yeah, as long
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as I smell hot grits in the morning. Yeah, he's
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okay.
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Okay, just don't put on it our gray No, no. So this is another thing I find flattering about you to check your husband successful truck driver works for the film industry. And next to you says galaxy. I'm learning how to drive a truck. He loves to bring this up. And I just thought that was just so cool. She says, My son was doing it. I'm gonna learn how to drive his truck. And you mentioned it wasn't a piece of cake. No, it was for the husband to say, baby that's what you want to do it?
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Oh, yeah, I didn't want to I didn't want to drive in a truck. I didn't want to truck driving or bus driving either. She was going to come work in the in the film industry. And in that in that particular industry? Wow, I gotta tell you, it's driving in the film industry is like the cake job. You're not doing that much work period. And you're not even driving a big truck. You might be driving a van or passenger van, maybe a 510 or a 1010 or something like that. But
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you got to get those license. It's a good job. Yeah, it's a great job.
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You got to get the ones once you get really hard
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to break into though. For
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sure. You know, people you gotta you gotta know somebody for 16 years.
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Yeah, yes. That helps. But that being said, it's still very difficult, although my husband is in the industry is still very difficult for me to get in. So I want to talk about therapy. So we're kind of getting counseled here, which is great. But we've had counseling before. Yeah. And I've mentioned that I've learned that is important to get therapy for yourself first, and then get into the couples counseling. You know why? Because you guys, go ahead. We jumped into couples counseling first. And that was a huge
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was an explosion. Yes. It was an explosion. It lasted what? Five minutes.
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Okay, so what happened? What happened? We went to the
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we went there. And to be honest with you, there's always a thing about when it's me and my wife. My wife is pretty. And that kind of sways everybody's opinion of everything. I'm always when it's brought to them. So, you know, just generally. I was uncomfortable because I can see this man looking at my wife going. You're bad.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Witness test. Oh, no. The Well, we have a great producer editor. Well, I've witnessed, witnessed that. And I've even seen a woman use her appeal to try to cite when I make it very clear. I'm not here to make her decide. I'm here. Trusting great. I am. Right? Learn to talk Nirn when they listen, listen to edify Have you both listen to one another, and see if this can be connected again. Now something you said right, which is powerful. You already felt defeated? Because the counselor is like, oh, goodness, I would love to have a beautiful woman like that. Yeah,
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you better you know, you better be right. But
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so with you Zondra what I know about you're very independent. You're very, you're very strong. And sometimes people have the my way or the highway or my way that's the way it works. But then you'll find how important it is to be loose enough. So hey, I like to give in to my husband. Hello. You
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know You're in
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question Robert. massager Ballantine's. That's how she did she
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just you know, she gets a she gets a massage on a regular she's, she's a massage person.
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Okay.
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She's a massage me.
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All right. All right.
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Don't get a massage. Can
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I get them away? So I want to go back to this counseling. Okay. Okay, so just 10 more minutes. Can you do my other?
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Or what about this one? You didn't do this? Because it feels so good.
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You did more on this? Oh, yeah. No, he
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doesn't wake me up. He's like, glad I'm asleep. Okay, so anyway, we're at the counseling session. And this is so important when you're picking or choosing your therapist, that they are culturally competent. Because we had a Caucasian male. Yeah. Which is fine. But as we're explaining, I started explaining some of the things that were bothering me with Robert. And I felt like he was listening. But when he was, you know, saying back in his own words, what I was saying, he said, Robert, what I'm hearing is, she feels like she's being treated like a slave. Yeah, now, that just like, record scratched, Oh, really? Oh, session. And Roberts, like, No, she doesn't feel that way. And I'm like, I can't believe you said that. You know,
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well, there's a barrier, because there is you can probably counsel another race. But no one can feel the pain of a race, if they're not in that race. So they're their fundamentals, the council fundamentals, to counseling, but there is that other side. You know what I have a dream, what it means to us. Don't mean what it means to them. But the dominant impulse is attention. That's the dominant the dominant impulse is attention, even from again, when a baby cries, he cries for attention. So you guys give each other attention to one another is so critical to keeping the marriage working, is not always having what you want, is wanting what you have in 16 years. You don't? That's fine. You know, you know,
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I also want to talk to them to the women out there. I have a friend who recently started dating Mickey D's. Nikki's. Oh, man. Yeah, once again, when am I dating? No.
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Did you say Mickey D's one
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of my best friends, Nicole T. Oh, Nikki, Nikki. She's been on this show. She became blind a few years ago. And she has a daughter who is on the autism spectrum. Yeah. Oh, you're so she's dealing with a lot. And she was afraid that no one would ever want her beautiful woman. Right? Beautiful, very physically attractive, and great heart. Lots of fun. And she finally found love just recently. Praise God. Yeah, man. So with that being said, I also want to say that I too, felt like that at one time. Because Robert is my current husband. I was married once before. And I met Robert with three young children. And I felt the same, like, who's gonna want me with three kids? You know, I thought I'd be single forever. I wasn't single too long. Because Robert, came right on alone.
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Yeah. You know, on that situation. I was raised in a in a broken family. So I had what three stepfathers? So, oddly enough, it didn't seem strange to me at all.
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Wow, that's beautiful. Yeah, we were on the phone. And I'm like, because my favorite line to say to guys, you know, if they were very persistent, I got three kids. I have three kids, and they say, Oh, okay. Bye. You got
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three bad kids. I have three bad kids.
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My kids are not bad.
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Guys, so they're not bad kids. Wow. Yeah, they were bad.
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Kids have their moments and all of our kids, you know, had their moments. I'm my own person. You know, we had that moment. Yeah. Kids are kids, but our kids are generally good. They're not they're not vicious or malicious. Which is you know, that's a blessing Right? Um, but they you know, they get
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a fear of the Lord instead instilled in them nothing. Yes, they are very independent thinkers. Yeah.
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Well, one of the biggest compliments and it's very, very critical that A child needs to see that their mother is happy. Yes. If they saw that in you, Robert, they love you. Like you can never imagine. Because they that is so important because the child is more Klingler to the mom than there's a dad. It's just the way it is
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a blended family. So as they were growing up, it was like, you know, we take it to the point where it's like, you know, you're not my dad. Right? Yeah, we
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get to that point. Yeah, that happens. Yeah. Now I'm here being rebellious. Yeah. It comes out an NGO.
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And I always say the father of all fathers of the Father, but that's what they do. They'll challenge you kids will? Oh, yeah. Little bitty kids. Oh, yeah. You know that along with
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Roman and he was two and a half turning three. Yeah, I meant not to. Yeah.
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He's about two years, your son is Roman.
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Okay, cool, no skinny?
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Well, that goes to show that Robert has a good heart, to the fact that he saw that growing up that people were coming in out of life. But if you're a good man, you look, you look past that, you know, if you that's why I'm always good to anybody's child, even I will say when my child, were somewhere, I will hope he's having a proper mentorship. So you being a great person, just be great all the time. And you'll be blessed. Hey,
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you know what, Glen, but I have to say, you're so complimentary. And I really love that about you. But it always makes me, you know, think, Hey, is not always peaches and cream. No, it's not. No, it's not. But sometimes people are helped by understanding that you are going through some of the same things that they are. Right. It's easy to celebrate the good stuff. Absolute is talking through those tough things. Right. That that should be mentioned.
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Yeah. We see it all the time with celebrities like Well, wait a minute. They're rich. Right. And their beauty, their problem and problems. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's why I say it's always wanting what you have not have, you know, I agree. Yeah, yeah, what you want. And you know, as I listened to you guys, I'm moved by the fact that people envy, this position. But they give up, when they go on up to heal. It's tears to it, and you get tired. But if you look back down there, you say, I made it through that. But some people say, Ah, I'm not going to fuck, but then you guys next year. And so you have so much experience of saying, look what we come. Sure. Yeah. And
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you have to look back at those moments, because that's actually what keeps you strong when you revisit those times those stories. Yeah, those things you did.
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We've been through. We've been through, like everything. Yeah, you name it.
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Wow. But I haven't I have a question and your answer, not mine. When you are going through the storm, when it's one note? Did you find yourself pulling together closer than you was when you're just living the highlight? If weather was facing an illness, or you have someone at a death in the family, or somebody lost a job, we always pull closer and that's what's key to keep it a relationship. Small stuff. Yes. That makes you that makes me say, You know what?
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Forget this man. I'm out of here. I quit. Yeah, yeah. But I have to give it to him. He's the top to my pot.
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All right now, you know, because he's always you talk to my pot. Yeah.
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All right now because he's always kind of made me work through things right. And talk about things. And if it was left to my own demise, I would be alone. If he was. I want to talk as strong as he was. And if he didn't care so much about our love. How I'd be gone. Yeah,
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we have love we we
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actually love each other. Yes. Beautiful. A lot of people tolerate one another.
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You know we what we'd like to do one thing. We like to play backgammon. A lot of backgammon? Well, cards,
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we play 10 games in a row? Yeah, we'll play cards, or cards or the family monopoly. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. We started out with like,
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Who's, who's better when? I'm a better winner. Okay. Yeah,
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he's the worst loser. Well, because when I start when he gets mad, I'm like losing. And you
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know what's really important? I have to say this because this can only go so long. You can't be counterfeit. never pretend to feel the way you don't feel and never pretend not to feel the way you do feel. Because when you do that, you allow something counterfeit to start factoring in the soup. I find that down the line.
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I disagree. I think sometimes Do you pretend to have to fake it till you make it for a few minutes? Or so that you can get by? I don't mean sexually. I mean, fake it till you make it like, sometimes maybe. Robert is annoyed because I keep asking him should I wear this dress or that dress? Or this dress? Or these shoes?
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Oh my god. Yeah, you got to play dress up. Yeah. And then
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sometimes he's annoyed with that. But I noticed that he knows it's important to me. And so he'll give me that few minutes of acting like he's interested.
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You know? Um, yeah, that's what I'm not part of a relationship, like, a good part of it, is, you're gonna have to surrender. Yeah, you're gonna have to just close your eyes and surrender to everything. Just I hate this. But this is the way it is. So
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we'll make this bacon and cook these critics and we're gonna get through
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it. Yeah, part of surrendering. There's an awakening. So understand that. When you surrender, it's almost you're confessing I'm giving in to what will bring awakening and that's what keeps the relationship going. You have to keep having these awakenings of people go bored people, people feel like I've dated women says, I'm boring. Hmm. So why do you think you're boring? Because I'm this entertainer, I'm always in limelight. But truthfully, I just like peace and keep it simple. So they feel they have to do something different. But if you be honest, and you surrender to the truth, let your yea be yea or nay be Nay.
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But everything is not worth the fight. It's not, you know, sometimes, you know, you just gotta fake it till you make it. Because you've sometimes you want that peace. So it's like, let's, let's substitute on. So it's like, let me give him what I know he needs so that I can have my peace.
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Well, the language is so and so. So critical. You know, we'll substitute fake it into within door. You just have to endure Yes. Because you don't want fake to be at your thing. But I understand what you're saying. But we just have to endure. Okay, because we know, it's gonna be alright. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be it's gonna be and I received that. I think we're up for an Emmy right now. Hey, I think we are.
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Wow. Thank you for coming on the show. Well,
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thank thank you for having me on the show. Thank
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you. And thank you, Glenn.
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Let me have a front row seat. This is the chapter that I longed for. But in the meantime, what part of miserable Do I like?
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I'm here every Saturday at 7:30am. You can find me on all your major podcast platforms. And soon, very soon, you will see me on other platforms as well. So stay tuned every time
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